Mon expérience chez TK Racehead ; 3 moteurs sautés
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Mon expérience chez TK Racehead ; 3 moteurs sautés
I will make a long story short because for people who already know my story.. they will tells you we could talk about it for a whole night lol !!
Car : Nissan Skyline GTR RB26DETT
Use: daily-drive. people who drove with me know i don't drive really hard lol. Went to the drag maybe for 10... max 15 runs.
1) back in 2010, I brought the engine to TK race head in laval in order to refresh and forge my engine so it can take twin gt2860 turbos setup ( 575whp on dynapack). Motor ran well and managed to make 575whp in 2011. In 2014, after driving 10 000-15 000 kms with the car, we noticed a lost of power ; car made 500whp. Compression was now at 140 psi but even on every cylinder ( lost of 20-25 psi from when new). Well it suck.. but car still ran fine. However, 1000 km later, engine broke cruising on highway 15. 3000rpm 110 kmh. Result ; bented valves, head is ruined, camshaft tomei is dead too. crankshaft need a polish + new acl bearing + machining + new piston ring
Well shit happens right ? 10-15k kms on a rebuild motor daily-driving is not a lot but maybe i got unlucky..
2) In 2015 april, I go back with TK to rebuild my engine, but this time, I go ''all-out'' with forged Supertech component and new Tomei camshaft. Mine's cam baffle + I pay for a porting + all the other stuff that needed to be done on the block with all new metal tomei gasket and new nissan gasket kit. Oh I also paid for 1000$ RIPS extended sump and 1000$ nismo front diff + 1000$ nismo oil pump. So yeah.. total was approx. 5k$ in part + Tom charged me 700$ ( to disassemble the motor in piece) + 2500$ for the whole job ( head/block assembly).
It took forever to build the engine, took times to find a bare RB26 head ( not his fault), then wait for shim ( not his fault either), then wait to be built etc etc. Mechanic did a single turbo conversion so it took times to build the exhaust too etc etc.. LONG STORY SHORT.. we're back in late august 2015. Basically 5-6 months lead time but this is not all TK's fault, so we won't get into that any deeper lol. Just suck it took that much time.
When i come to pick up the car. mechanic told me '' i find it run rumbly, I had to make sure it didn't run on 5th cylinder because I wasn't sure, but i guess a tune will fix all this ''. Not looking good my friend !! Nothing to make me confident the engine will make 700whp with this new single turbo setup. So I go for a tune. I was there the whole time along with Vince ( also running a RB26 in his 240sx) and the tuner. Can ran for 20 minutes on the dyno and engine broke !
Result ; ALL 12 intake valve took a hit and 2 exhaust valve.... Now the obvious is that TK tried blaming the tuner saying he over-rev it ( Impossible, the haltech ecu had a rev limiter set at 7800rpm) then it appears the tuner played with timing which again was false since the tuner will tune the car fully before playing with adjustable cam gear and I was there in front of the car the whole time, he never played with timing. All he did was hooking his FPR and boost gauge. And we noticed the timing belt was put backward ( only aesthetic, but still a little lack of detail regarding timing..)
End of story ; TK can't tell what happened or why it happened but he will re-do the engine ( without head porting so I'm getting a little bit less than I had before) . However, I had to pay for the following ; bare head (300$), supertech valve x14 ( 450$), 350$ machining, JE piston ( 250$) and 200$ of camshaft shim + I had to pay the mechanic to re-do the job of pulling and re put the engine inside the car (700$).
This happened the 5th of September or so..
3) Mechanic get the engine end of october. took about 6-7 weeks to build ( lead time of 3 week for shim to arrive). He install the motor and call me saying don't pick up the car, NO COMPRESSION on cylinder #6 !! Mechanic also told me he can't spend more time with my car and it has to be stored till January and start over this winter.
Damage this time is unknown since I didn't remove the engine to check. But it's fair to expect a good 1000$ like most minor rebuild + cost of towing + insurance + storage space + another 7-800 for the mechanic to pull and re install for the third time this time along.
At this point, I'm totally fed up, 3 broken engine in least than 4 years ( 10-15k kms) and 2 broken engine FREAKING BRAND NEW. So during the weekend, I put my car for sell as-is as a part car. I was expecting to get 25k as a running car and tuned. ended it up selling it for 16k. I was on a rush because mechanic put pressure on me to leave with the car ASAP. However, since I have a non-running car and I live in downtown Montreal, there's no way I can park a car on the street and leave it there !!! So now i'm totally screwed. I had to make a move and since it's not running, the only move I had was to sell it very quickly.
To sum up, I spent about 5k in engine parts + 700 + 2500 + 350 in labor/machining on an engine and never got to drive it for ONE SINGLE KILOMETER this year. + all the stress and troubles of supplying all the parts over the summer..( without including other mechanic parts but that's none of TK's business so we won't get into that)
At this point, I told TK race head, I wanted him to pay the 700$ the mechanic is charging me for pulling and installing the motor since well... mecanic's job is wasted/useless due to his bad work ( I mean, all the work done since sept 8th is worth nothing since I'm in the same position as I was before = car doesn't run) . I then asked 2500$ in compensation for all the troubles I went through /deception of never driving my car this summer. ( Like I said, to rebuild a 4th time ( !!! yeah 4th time !!) the engine, it would easily cost near 2000$ which he won't have to pay anyways since the car is sold.
On top of that, only this summer, TK received approx 3550$ from my hands, by giving me back 2500$ he's still keeping some money from me. So by selling the car anyways, I'm giving a wide-open exit for both TK and I to end this non-ending story in a good way. And obviously, I was told that I wasn't fair because I didn't give a chance but hey! It,s only the 3rd engine TK has rebuild for me. Hopefully no one will accuse me for not giving him a chance.
The following day after I tell him exactly what I wrote to TK race head, he replied saying ; he would've fixed what was broken. That I wasn't fair because I sold the car before giving him the chance to fix the issue. To that I replied ; 1. May I just reminds that this is the 3rd engine TK rebuild for me ? technically I did give him chances. 2. And the first thing to do would've been to pay the 700$ the mechanic is charging me + find me a new workshop + arrange towing so he could pull the motor out if he really wanted to fix the issue..
So anyways, what would you do ? do you think my offer was unfair ? Should I contact a lawyer with this case ?
P.S: This story is 100% true and I spared lots of little details that would just be the icing on the cake lol. But goes to show I've been pretty patient and pretty calm, I believe with this situation, but what happened end of October is just too much IMO.
Moral of the story for any tuner out there; It's better if you build your car yourself OR go to a shop that do engine + tune so they're the only one to blame ( it's pretty easy to blame the tuner but none of the accusations were backed with actual fact like stated before).
Moral #2 ; I didn't feel TK is standing behind his work nor any kind of warranty. Keep in mind, I didn't race the car or anything.. in both occasion, I never got to left the parking lot of the shop with the car, it broke INSIDE the garage. both time.
Car : Nissan Skyline GTR RB26DETT
Use: daily-drive. people who drove with me know i don't drive really hard lol. Went to the drag maybe for 10... max 15 runs.
1) back in 2010, I brought the engine to TK race head in laval in order to refresh and forge my engine so it can take twin gt2860 turbos setup ( 575whp on dynapack). Motor ran well and managed to make 575whp in 2011. In 2014, after driving 10 000-15 000 kms with the car, we noticed a lost of power ; car made 500whp. Compression was now at 140 psi but even on every cylinder ( lost of 20-25 psi from when new). Well it suck.. but car still ran fine. However, 1000 km later, engine broke cruising on highway 15. 3000rpm 110 kmh. Result ; bented valves, head is ruined, camshaft tomei is dead too. crankshaft need a polish + new acl bearing + machining + new piston ring
Well shit happens right ? 10-15k kms on a rebuild motor daily-driving is not a lot but maybe i got unlucky..
2) In 2015 april, I go back with TK to rebuild my engine, but this time, I go ''all-out'' with forged Supertech component and new Tomei camshaft. Mine's cam baffle + I pay for a porting + all the other stuff that needed to be done on the block with all new metal tomei gasket and new nissan gasket kit. Oh I also paid for 1000$ RIPS extended sump and 1000$ nismo front diff + 1000$ nismo oil pump. So yeah.. total was approx. 5k$ in part + Tom charged me 700$ ( to disassemble the motor in piece) + 2500$ for the whole job ( head/block assembly).
It took forever to build the engine, took times to find a bare RB26 head ( not his fault), then wait for shim ( not his fault either), then wait to be built etc etc. Mechanic did a single turbo conversion so it took times to build the exhaust too etc etc.. LONG STORY SHORT.. we're back in late august 2015. Basically 5-6 months lead time but this is not all TK's fault, so we won't get into that any deeper lol. Just suck it took that much time.
When i come to pick up the car. mechanic told me '' i find it run rumbly, I had to make sure it didn't run on 5th cylinder because I wasn't sure, but i guess a tune will fix all this ''. Not looking good my friend !! Nothing to make me confident the engine will make 700whp with this new single turbo setup. So I go for a tune. I was there the whole time along with Vince ( also running a RB26 in his 240sx) and the tuner. Can ran for 20 minutes on the dyno and engine broke !
Result ; ALL 12 intake valve took a hit and 2 exhaust valve.... Now the obvious is that TK tried blaming the tuner saying he over-rev it ( Impossible, the haltech ecu had a rev limiter set at 7800rpm) then it appears the tuner played with timing which again was false since the tuner will tune the car fully before playing with adjustable cam gear and I was there in front of the car the whole time, he never played with timing. All he did was hooking his FPR and boost gauge. And we noticed the timing belt was put backward ( only aesthetic, but still a little lack of detail regarding timing..)
End of story ; TK can't tell what happened or why it happened but he will re-do the engine ( without head porting so I'm getting a little bit less than I had before) . However, I had to pay for the following ; bare head (300$), supertech valve x14 ( 450$), 350$ machining, JE piston ( 250$) and 200$ of camshaft shim + I had to pay the mechanic to re-do the job of pulling and re put the engine inside the car (700$).
This happened the 5th of September or so..
3) Mechanic get the engine end of october. took about 6-7 weeks to build ( lead time of 3 week for shim to arrive). He install the motor and call me saying don't pick up the car, NO COMPRESSION on cylinder #6 !! Mechanic also told me he can't spend more time with my car and it has to be stored till January and start over this winter.
Damage this time is unknown since I didn't remove the engine to check. But it's fair to expect a good 1000$ like most minor rebuild + cost of towing + insurance + storage space + another 7-800 for the mechanic to pull and re install for the third time this time along.
At this point, I'm totally fed up, 3 broken engine in least than 4 years ( 10-15k kms) and 2 broken engine FREAKING BRAND NEW. So during the weekend, I put my car for sell as-is as a part car. I was expecting to get 25k as a running car and tuned. ended it up selling it for 16k. I was on a rush because mechanic put pressure on me to leave with the car ASAP. However, since I have a non-running car and I live in downtown Montreal, there's no way I can park a car on the street and leave it there !!! So now i'm totally screwed. I had to make a move and since it's not running, the only move I had was to sell it very quickly.
To sum up, I spent about 5k in engine parts + 700 + 2500 + 350 in labor/machining on an engine and never got to drive it for ONE SINGLE KILOMETER this year. + all the stress and troubles of supplying all the parts over the summer..( without including other mechanic parts but that's none of TK's business so we won't get into that)
At this point, I told TK race head, I wanted him to pay the 700$ the mechanic is charging me for pulling and installing the motor since well... mecanic's job is wasted/useless due to his bad work ( I mean, all the work done since sept 8th is worth nothing since I'm in the same position as I was before = car doesn't run) . I then asked 2500$ in compensation for all the troubles I went through /deception of never driving my car this summer. ( Like I said, to rebuild a 4th time ( !!! yeah 4th time !!) the engine, it would easily cost near 2000$ which he won't have to pay anyways since the car is sold.
On top of that, only this summer, TK received approx 3550$ from my hands, by giving me back 2500$ he's still keeping some money from me. So by selling the car anyways, I'm giving a wide-open exit for both TK and I to end this non-ending story in a good way. And obviously, I was told that I wasn't fair because I didn't give a chance but hey! It,s only the 3rd engine TK has rebuild for me. Hopefully no one will accuse me for not giving him a chance.
The following day after I tell him exactly what I wrote to TK race head, he replied saying ; he would've fixed what was broken. That I wasn't fair because I sold the car before giving him the chance to fix the issue. To that I replied ; 1. May I just reminds that this is the 3rd engine TK rebuild for me ? technically I did give him chances. 2. And the first thing to do would've been to pay the 700$ the mechanic is charging me + find me a new workshop + arrange towing so he could pull the motor out if he really wanted to fix the issue..
So anyways, what would you do ? do you think my offer was unfair ? Should I contact a lawyer with this case ?
P.S: This story is 100% true and I spared lots of little details that would just be the icing on the cake lol. But goes to show I've been pretty patient and pretty calm, I believe with this situation, but what happened end of October is just too much IMO.
Moral of the story for any tuner out there; It's better if you build your car yourself OR go to a shop that do engine + tune so they're the only one to blame ( it's pretty easy to blame the tuner but none of the accusations were backed with actual fact like stated before).
Moral #2 ; I didn't feel TK is standing behind his work nor any kind of warranty. Keep in mind, I didn't race the car or anything.. in both occasion, I never got to left the parking lot of the shop with the car, it broke INSIDE the garage. both time.
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Re: Mon expérience chez TK Racehead ; 3 moteurs sautés
Un beau cas pour les petites créances...
T'as des bonnes chances de gagner, mais ça va te prendre un solide dossier.
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oh!! je l'avais vu passer sur GTR-Canada... j'savais pas que c't'ai toi!!! :O
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J'espère que tu vas au moins avoir compensation!
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Go to Small claims its 15k now, talk about bending over and taking it in the ass. Sorry buddy
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Toute une histoire que tu m'a conter de vive voix. Je pensais à le contacter pour mon 2JZ. Je vais y repenser à 2 fois.
Comme scoobydoo dit, c'est rendu 15000$ au petite creance. Pas d'avocat. C'est toi contre lui.
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Sauf que s'il ne paye pas, c'est à toi de prendre les moyens légaux ( à tes frais) pour faire respecter le jugement...
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Il y a moyen, légal, de se faire payer : http://www.justice.gouv.qc.ca/francais/ ... htm#forcee" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Le tout à tes frais ... et c'est pas si simple... y'a eu un reportage à la facture, selon les montants, les démarches coûtent plus que le jugement lui-même...Swatch a écrit :Il y a moyen, légal, de se faire payer : http://www.justice.gouv.qc.ca/francais/ ... htm#forcee" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Tu peux toujours enregistrer une hypothèque légale, ça va le faire chier, il pourra plus avoir aucun financement de la banque.
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Attends... jsuis pas certain de comprendre... Tu as sorti 5000$... pour un setup de 700hp AUX ROUES, pis tu t'attendais à ce que ça tienne???? C'est juste moi que ça choque???
Les gars ici sortent des 10 000$ pour mettre une mécanique de STi STOCK dans leurs chars, soit un setup de 300hp au CRANK, toi tu croyais que pour 5 000$, tu pouvais avoir 700hp aux roues????
Ou ben c'est moi qui catch pas l'histoire, ou ben c'est juste normal... tu peux pas avoir 700hp pour 5000$ pis espérer que ça tienne, ca se peut juste pas...
Les gars ici sortent des 10 000$ pour mettre une mécanique de STi STOCK dans leurs chars, soit un setup de 300hp au CRANK, toi tu croyais que pour 5 000$, tu pouvais avoir 700hp aux roues????
Ou ben c'est moi qui catch pas l'histoire, ou ben c'est juste normal... tu peux pas avoir 700hp pour 5000$ pis espérer que ça tienne, ca se peut juste pas...
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Re: Mon expérience chez TK Racehead ; 3 moteurs sautés
Le gars avait deja une base pour monter le setup. Ton exemple de gars qui mets 10k pour avoir un sti stock est valide seulement sur un rs qui necessite une job de fillage et transmission. Un swap de wrx a sti coute environs 5k et meme moins juste pour le moteur. A 10k tu as toute la poutine : moteur tranny suspentiom brakes. Comparons des pommes avec des ponmes, donc job de moteur seulement.
Mais bref la nest pas la question, Alex cherche conseil sur laspect legal de la question et aviser les gens de la gestion de la situation par le garage en question. On nest pas la pour lamener au bucher, il est deja surement magané par la situation qui traine.
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j'essaie pas de l'emmener au bûcher, j'essaie juste de comprendre. D'où le "Ou ben c'est moi qui catch pas l'histoire..."
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Aaah, t'a pleins de mondes qui dompent toutes sortes d'argents sur tout pleins d'affaires pis on sait pas pourquoi ! Lol !
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