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entretien DMS: à lire attentivement

Publié : mar. oct. 17, 2006 12:10 pm
par UGCspawn
je crois qu'il y a de la désinformation ou un mauvaise compréhension sur l'entretien des suspensions DMS, surtout au niveau des coûts vs des compétiteurs... Lisez ce qui suit ( je vais le traduire sous peu et le reposter directement) pour mieux comprendre ce qu'implique un rebuilt (plusieurs options, plusieurs couts)... Je vais poster d'autres choses tout ausi intéressantes a ce sujet dans pas long...keep posted!

Maintaining Your DMS Suspension
Being able to provide consistent performance over many years of use is virtually impossible to do without regular care and maintenance on any performance orientated unit. DMS is proud to be able to offer their customers an alternative with the re-grease kits that are user friendly and help to extend overhaul times if used regularly. This avoids having to scrap an entire unit and replace it with a new one. Service intervals may vary from user to user depending on driving style and conditions.

The answer depends on a lot of variables. No TWO struts will require exactly the same interval between maintenance. There are simply too many factors affecting the time between services such as:

the type of climate conditions: hot, cold, snow, salt, dust, etc.
the different types of surfaces: asphalt, gravel, rough roads, snow, ice, street, etc.
the type of driving: hard acceleration, rally, solo, auto-x, hard braking, etc.
All these factors will play into determining time between regular maintenance and servicing. More important than time between is to identify the symptoms needing to be addressed and being able to associate them with a corrective action. Again, not all struts are the same, but it is NEVER a bad idea to remove, inspect and re-grease or even send for strut body servicing if required at least on a yearly basis.

Some symptoms of struts needing attention can vary from slight squeaking sounds, all the way to an insert not travelling at all. Maybe some minor clunking sounds, or even excessive overheating of the piston resulting in fading of the rebound and bump controls. When driving the vehicle, it may feel like the strut is lagging in its reaction time, not absorbing the bumps and hits as it should. It is important however for all end users to remember the following:

‘A well maintained set of suspension will last for many years before needing any sort of major replacement, but one that is not will break down and fail prematurely. ‘

The nice thing about ALL DMS products is that they can be fully re-built. All of the parts can be replaced without replacing the entire assembly.

This sets DMS apart from many competitors where you must replace the entire assemblies when they wear. Our complete rebuilds restore the shocks to near-brand new condition and at a fraction of the cost to replace them. Over time this translates to a lower cost of ownership.

Specially formulated DMS Grease, seals, adjusters, and stickers can all be purchased from your local distributor. Full rebuilds are now performed at the DMS North America facility where in the past they were shipped back to DMS Australia.

DMS strut assembly maintenance / servicing can go from just taking the units off of the car, removing the insert from the body, inspecting them for straightness, cracks, scratches, then cleaning out the tube and re-packing it with DMS formulated grease and seal. A complete INSERT rebuild is at the other end of the scale and includes replacement of the gas piston, new oil, valve assembly, etc.

The three types of maintenance most encountered for all DMS units are as follows .

Body Re-greasing Kit: The parts included in this kit are DMS formulated grease, seals, trademark stickers and nylon lock nut. During this servicing, all components are inspected for abnormal wear and straightness, all parts cleaned and reassembled ready for new alignment. This kit is designed for the end user and comes complete with instructions so that the units do not have to be sent back to the service facility all the time. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS SUPPLIED WITH THE KIT.

Body Service Kit #2: This kit includes all the components of the re-greasing kit plus two new bushes per strut body, lock nut, and red bump adjuster cap. Adjuster maintenance and cleaning as well as insert dyno testing and inspection. This is something that requires special tools and training to do properly and is recommended ONLY by authorised personnel.

Rebuild Kit: This kit only services the strut insert, NOT THE BODY. Parts included are shaft and valving assembly, wear band, gas piston assembly, gland pack assembly, circlips, bump cap, rebound spacer, nylon lock nut as well as bump adjuster and protective red cap. Prices are different for 40mm, 50mm, and 60mm

http://www.dmshocks.com/default.asp?id=17

Publié : mar. oct. 17, 2006 1:04 pm
par juste_Frank
Ca explique aussi pourquoi c'est assez rare de trouver des DMS usagées, une DMS bien entretenue va durer très longtemps.

Publié : mar. oct. 17, 2006 2:34 pm
par Mister_Wagon
J'ai déjà vu une entretien coûter plus cher que de racheter autre chose dans le neuf aussi ! Tout dépend de ce que vous voulez vraiment ! :?

Publié : mar. oct. 17, 2006 2:37 pm
par Swatch
juste_Frank a écrit :Ca explique aussi pourquoi c'est assez rare de trouver des DMS usagées, une DMS bien entretenue va durer très longtemps.
Arrête, une DMS 40 qui est dû pour un rebuit ça se trouve pour 5-600$ sur le nasioc :idea:

Et comme Wagon dit : le rebuit coûte TRÈS cher.

Publié : mar. oct. 17, 2006 4:09 pm
par UGCspawn
Et comme Wagon dit : le rebuit coûte TRÈS cher.
il ne faut pas mélanger entretien et rebuilt complet... La majeure partie du temps, le monde confonde et compare entretien sur compagnie X VS rebuilt complet DMS...

Publié : mar. oct. 17, 2006 4:16 pm
par homer09
UGCspawn a écrit :
Et comme Wagon dit : le rebuit coûte TRÈS cher.
il ne faut pas mélanger entretien et rebuilt complet... La majeure partie du temps, le monde confonde et compare entretien sur compagnie X VS rebuilt complet DMS...
alors met fin à la confusion avec des prix.

Publié : mar. oct. 17, 2006 4:46 pm
par juste_Frank
Swatch a écrit :
juste_Frank a écrit :Ca explique aussi pourquoi c'est assez rare de trouver des DMS usagées, une DMS bien entretenue va durer très longtemps.
Arrête, une DMS 40 qui est dû pour un rebuit ça se trouve pour 5-600$ sur le nasioc :idea:

Et comme Wagon dit : le rebuit coûte TRÈS cher.
Ouain mais devine pourquoi le gars la vends: une chance sur 2 qu'elle soit mal entretenue pis la ca vaut pas d'la marde...

ÉDIT: En passsant j'ai vérifié sur le NASIOC pis la majorité des DMS en vente se vendent en haut de 1000$ usagées. Ceux en vente a 500$ tu peux les acheter si tu veux mais moi j'prendrait pas le risque que l'entretient aie été négligé.

Un rebuilt ca coute entre 200$ et 400$, ca dépends c'que tu fait avec bien sur.

Rebuild / Service costs

Publié : ven. oct. 20, 2006 2:27 pm
par bigspin
We can recharge inserts for 75$ a corner, just like hot bits. It's oil, gas, and some o-rings. Big deal.

What does this accomplish though if the shim stacks are worn (flutter) or the oriphices have worn from 1.01 mm to 1.03 mm (will affect how the shock handles)

The strut body service kits are designed for users to use themselves. That being said you can pick up the kits from a local rep anywhere in North America (lachute performance) for around 95-105 per corner. This is if you need everything. If you just need the grease, it is cheaper, or vice versa. If you have a shop perform the labor, evidentally the costs are more expensive.

Costs can go up from that point. Valve kits, bushings, labor, etc. Depends what needs to be done. The point is that any DMS sold over the past 3 years should not need a grease kit before 45-55,000 KM. People on this board seem mechanically inclined, so they should have no trouble buying the kits themselves and dis-assembling the struts, or bringing them to your rep. Lachute for example, would R&R the kits with an allignment as needed, or be happy to do the service work only.

The majority of rebuilds offered on the market by JDm style units are a recharge, not a rebuild = cheaper to do and also available from DMS. The thing that happens is if customers neglect the units, we will not take 75$ from them that will not solve anything.

http://www.dmsnorthamerica.com/tech_articles/index.html is the link to the article on our website for reference of starting prices (note that all prices if indicated on our site are in US funds)

-mark